Do you feel any different?

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Last night on Anderson Cooper they showed a drawing of what Trayvon and Zimmerman would have looked like if they swapped races. I couldn’t find that picture, but I found a similar one from another blog. Would this have made a difference in the verdict?

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From DefendingTheTruth.com

Well, I’ll admit when I saw the image I had an immediate reaction. So yes I have my biases, we all do. You would be kidding yourself to say you have no biases whatsoever. The point is if whether one is letting those biases influence your decision making.

And the media’s reaction:

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From News-Cottage-Two.Blogspot.com

That’s a little extreme…..

But I want to hear from you guys…

53 thoughts on “Do you feel any different?

  1. To me, it made no difference. The person being pursued walked around talking to a friend on a cell phone had choices at that time. Instead of calling 911 for help, running away, hiding, or running screaming for help, they stay on the phone and later attack the follower. I would hope that my daughter (if I had one) wouldn’t make that choice. I would hope that Trayvon wouldn’t have made that choice. That night was a long string of bad choices, a few by Travon, a hell of a lot by Zimmerman, and that’s just heartbreaking.

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    1. Makes no difference to me except that this makes a “white Trayvon” look closer to 11 than to 17. It’s to bad he didn’t run away. There was a 2 minute gap from when he stopped talking to his girlfriend after her left the store and the next time Zimmerman spoke with 911. And during that 2 minutes Zimmerman didn’t know where Trayvon was because you can hear him telling the police where he last saw him and which way he thought he was going. Then more time elapsed between that call and the fight which took place at the T intersection where Zimmerman first reported seeing him several minutes earlier but after Trayvon has left the store. So over the course of several minutes Trayvon was 90 yards from his fathers home and In that time never got any step closer to his home. It’s a tragedy but I don’t see that it had anything to do with race and I don’t think Zimmerman had a lot of choices either.

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      1. So folks are saying that Trayvon should have ran away, but I’m wondering could he have ran away? Remember we only have Zimmerman’s side of the story..saying he was attacked or ambushed.does anyone know were Trayvon was shot (head, chest, back?)

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      2. Shot in the chest. Coroner said it was consistent with a man on top of a man being shot by a man beneath him. Muzzle of the weapon was touching Trayvons clothing when it fired. AND while we of course do not have Trayvons side of the story there is an eyewitness to the fight who called 911. He heard the shot but did not see the gun. He couldn’t not see well enough to describe the race of the two men but he said clothing they were wearing and by that description it put Trayvon on top and Zimmerman on the bottom. During his testimony she said Trayvon (describing the color of his clothes) was hitting him repeatedly ” ground and pound style”.

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  2. I try not to let color play a part in my decision on this topic. I am concerned about the loss of young lives to violence regardless of race. I do think the media would have reacted differently had zimmerman ben black and trayvon been white

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  3. I don’t think there is any doubt that the whole story would have been different if the races had been reversed. I’m not sure the verdict would have been different, but the media narrative would have been.

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    1. I agree with Mr Kirch. Race seems to sell papers and over excite TV news readers. The media wallows in it, races to it like hogs to a trough. If a bit of justice is still important in America the ‘r’ word like the ‘n’ word should be shunted into the media history books to grow spider webs alongside the Inquisition and other knee jerk witch hunts. Being black is no excuse for being a criminal. Being white likewise. The jury heard the facts, and I agree facts are a bit of an abstract and nobody seems to know them all, but the jury had its thinks and deliberations and it decided Zimmerman wasn’t guilty. Having a riot and issuing death threats is a pathetic response to lawful procedure. And the media is mainly responsible for heaving logs on to what was originally a sad little fire.

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      1. No the media really did pounce on it. But I was outraged too, about how the case was initially handled. A boy was killed and his family wasn’t notified. The gun man sent home after a 5 minute statement. Body put in the morgue as a John Doe….prosecutor declining to do his/her job because he/she didn’t it hold up in court….the media made those folks accountable, even if the trial results was Not guilty. Because the next time it happens…

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    1. Yes…it’s like telling a rape victim: “Why didn’t fight back or scream for help?” It puts blame on the victim. Trayvon was a 17 year old boy who probably defended himself the best he thought he could.

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  4. I didn’t see the Anderson Cooper in question, so I will limit my comment to this… the media is part of the problem because they keep the focus on race… the government is the other part of the problem as they have allowed corporations to hijack the legal system and help to propigate the old slave system… we are endentured by our debt… differences are constantly being pointed out because it is easier to control a divided populace… the simple point is ending a fist fight with a bullet should be a crime no matter who commits the crime… law enforcement will say not to confront, to run if possible and to not fight back… this is for the simple reason as violence will always escalate… Stand your ground is equivilent to survival of the fittest in nature… is that very civilized…

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    1. That’s true, as these types of laws are passed, more fights that would usually end with black eyes or broken noses will end with a bullet being fired.

      The rest is just sad….

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  5. From all reports I saw, Zimmerman refused to use Stand Your Ground. Trayvon shouldn’t have been on that street, either. He should have been arrested a week or two earlier for larceny, but in order to make the crime rate of high school kids look better, the police degraded this so he wouldn’t face charges. Witnesses reported Trayvon was bashing Zimmerman’s skull in before Zimmerman shot. So ultimately, there were a lot of bad choices which led to a horrible situation. Not that long ago the roles were reversed (a black man shot a white boy out of self defense), and the man was able to get off.

    Friend showed me that the other day. The issue is a media circus obfuscated so much truth on this (either side of the case) that it really made it difficult for any fair case to be given. If people really wanted Zimmerman to be tried fairly, they would have looked the other way instead of injecting so much emotion into it. Then mob rule when the jury doesn’t give us what we want. The man is proven innocent unanimously in court, and the response is to kill him. I don’t get why a local story has become this loud.

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    1. Unanimously in court? This morning a juror spoke out.

      I don’t know about Trayvon’s past, but it doesn’t negate the fact that on that night he wasn’t doing anything wrong.

      Like the rape victim whose sexual history is brought up in court. She and Trayvon are still victims of crimes despite their past.

      I only watched the first three minutes of the video, because it uses the “blame the victim” rationale…”he was highly sexualized which is typical of hip-hop culture?” I mean lol, you don’t know any 17 year old male that is highly sexualized…

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      1. Trayvon was waiting for Zimmerman. Why? Witnesses said they watched Trayvon bash the crap out of Zimmerman. Whether a juror spoke out this morning or not, the verdict was unanimous in court. How far do we let Trayvon smash Zimmerman? What if he had killed Zimmerman? Definitely wouldn’t have made the national news.

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  6. Thank you for the opportunity; as for me your basic question of “Do I feel any Different?” the answer is “No.” @Primalnights — insofar as that particular photo of Trayvon was taken 4 years prior the latest he could be is around 13 years old; however, and far clearer to me is the notion that in reality he is probably 12 years of age in the photo. @Paul Davis is really spot on in re: the matter of Stand Your Ground and Zimmerman’s non-use of it. I do believe in the prior “bad acts” legislation that most states follow. People do change; albeit, not so much from what they are concocting in their teenage years. It seemed to me that a photo of a gun, knocking some others guys around, and weed being in his system accounted for a lot of his given behavior that fateful night.

    And just before I say finally, each person has contributed so well to this question I can see why the matter almost skipped a trial. @tjtherien – you are so correct about the sensational journalism that unfortunately gets the protection of the 1st Amendment. When all hear, “Justice for …” and putting up 12 year old photos of Trayvon, whilst espousing racist remarks and at every turn, it just doesn’t seem fair. However, your feeling about who is at fault is a bit different than mine. I agree that the media had the most to do with the escalation, who no doubt financed the news and those corporations you allege hijacked it from there is where I differ. There was far and away too much involvement by our own government and officials. 1. The media needs some duct tape; 2. I believe when most people make allegations about “Big Corporations” if they substituted ‘special interest groups’ that would be the most fair; 3. No legitimate government is going to pay and finance opposition groups on the scene or at the scene like Holder did in this case. Finally, what did rub me the wrong way was the narrative about the girl. I feel we should just be a huge degree closer to what really happened than how this question was postulated. Although excellent work!!

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    1. You mean the narrative about the girl, in the picture? But what no one is getting is that Trayvon is dead and therefor no one can speak for him. All we have is Zimmerman’s side of how things happened, and I’m sure he’s a little biased.

      I don’t recall reading anywhere that marijuana makes you violent (unlike alcohol). But no one thinks that a 17 year old child being followed on a dark day in a sketchy neighborhood from a guy who got out of his vehicle would be scared or try to defend themselves?

      As a woman if this happened to me and I had a weapon, wouldn’t I be able to stand my ground or self-defend myself?

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      1. Dear TheGirl:

        OMG! this is the precise comment I was so counting on receiving! First, I meant to leave a kudos for you about using your writing — but I became so self-conscience about the size of my comment/post that I did a follow-up reply and I do hope you received it; it was one of those, “Reblogged on WordPress” messages.

        Now hopefully I’ll be able to answer some questions. YES! Exactly vis-a-vie your comment about the girl in the picture. There wasn’t as far as I know any pepper spray or other means that Trayvon could have used.

        Simple correction: “All we have is Zimmerman’s side,” please let’s not cheapen this case. The FBI, Justice Department, forensic experts, as well as over a year of investigative prowess was put into this case by the original Sanford Police and their experts.

        I do agree with you regarding “MOST” of the time weed doesn’t lead to violence. However, the properties that make alcoholics violent (insulin imbalance) can certainly spike up adrenalin to the point of at least engaging in violence. Why do you refer to Trayvon as a 17 year old child?

        As well all know — the community was not a sketchy neighborhood. It was a gated community that had neighborhood watch personnel on duty.

        I do feel as though Zimmerman was in fact, overzealous in his position, and I sure as heck should have and definitely would have handled matters otherwise. Yet again I know nothing of Trayvon’s attitude or demeanor that night. I don’t feel as though anyone’s behavior warrants being killed; however, that is not why there were charges brought against Zimmerman.

        I will continue to lift up Trayvon and his grieving parents in all of my prayers. Thank you again for your comment…I loved your style and especially the brevity of your writing.

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      2. Hi Jon Paul,

        You’re right about investigations, they can try to simulate the best case scenario, but we will never know “why” things went down, maybe Zimmerman said something that we don’t know or TM had a “shift” in his step that triggered things….17 years is a child. And even though I am adult, I would be frighten if someone got out of their car and started stalking me.

        So POV does matter, If TM was alive to give his version about how he felt “being stalked” I think that would swayed the jury’s opinion..all the forensic simulation in the world can’t replace someone’s own words.

        No one will really know what truly happened, what dirty look or curse word (if any) escalated the situation and that’s something Zimmerman will probably take to his grave.

        The only thing that some people have ingrained is that Zimmerman was assaulted and he defended himself. Well if TM was alive would he say that he was “Stalked, confronted and defended himself when he saw the weapon because he thought Zimmerman was going to shoot?” Except he used his fists instead of pepper-spray that some women carry.

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      3. Hello TheGirl!

        I totally agree with you latest on the TM matter. It is quite conceivable that anyone, would feel threatened by a handgun if they saw it. That’s why I believe they’re called “The Equalizer.”

        Furthermore, I am of the opinion that Zim. misjudged the situation; moreover, and especially Trayvon. I am of the opinion that when it came to fists and feet, Zim. was no match for the younger and better trained TM.

        Herein is where the biggest missing piece of the puzzle is for me (it’s also a cry for records of good investigation.) Let’s say that Zim. noticed a young individual walking apparently in quite a few directions. Furthermore, let’s indulge Zim. with he heard sounds coming from all or any direction.

        Okay, as for me gun or no gun I’m outta there! A) That is what policemen are for; B) One’s opponent has the element of surprise therefore the gun really is moot.

        Before either of them could get to their destinations, and by happenstance they run into each other, then its down to an authoritative versus should be compliant person pursuant to Zim’s. report. Notwithstanding the particulars they very easily could have run in each other and “Ut-oh” it’s time to show your manly prowess.

        This is quite openly something that could open wounds of those who are skeptical of race. I think as long as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the New BPP continue to incite I cringe at the thought of seeing so many years bludgeoned. Thank you again!

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      4. Well, I know people say this isn’t a matter of race. But when I saw TMs and GZ’s photo on the news for the first time, as a BW you can only imagine my first reaction, especially how TM’s body and investigation was treated afterwards.

        This is the kind of talk I will have to have with my future kids, it’s the same talk my parents had with me. No matter how far we’ve come…many things are still the same (or worse).

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      5. Hey there! You know in probably the same respects, I feel exactly the same. Being a WM I anguished over what was going to be inevitable. I’m probably a bit older than you are but I marched with Dr. King, and I’m not sure if anyone alive knows what kind of pressure he was under! On an adult level it has been guys like Allen West, and another guy black, a broker that they feature on Fox News, that really have assisted me through this entire ordeal.

        Please don’t misunderstand me; I think a lot of what continues to go on (unfortunately) is being brought on by the perpetrators of their own lifestyles; furthermore, I believe that great strides have been made over the last half century. However, there is still some behaviors that are pissing off the black community more than anything.

        I would never suggest to any sitting POTUS or Congress person to ever weigh-in on a matter as sensitive as TM’s. Lovely to hear from you; been writing? I need to get over to your place (site). Perhaps you can help me out with this one…What or why are so many women alleging that there is a War on Women? Cheers!!

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      6. Have you been to Texas lately? Well yeh, all the recent restrictions on women’s reproductive rights suggest that our bodies aren’t our own to control.

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  7. While I will never know for sure, I believe race played a big part in it. I believe that had Trayvon been any race other than black nothing would have happened.

    Both Trayvon and Zimmerman made bad choices that night. However, had Zimmerman stayed in his car as he was told then nothing would have happened other than a kid gets home to eat his Skittles. Zimmerman is the adult, he should have acted like one rather than wanting to play cowboy.

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  8. The trial is over. Justice has been dealt ~ which unfortunately leaves us with a winner and a loser. And Zimmerman seems to be a marked man. I, amongst many, am sorry Trayvon got killed. And I was kinda sorry to see Zimmerman get off. I didn’t follow the trial. I avoided the trial. I was saddened most by Alex Wagner of MSNBC taking so much time off ~ because I love her as the hostess of NOW. But, of course, that’s beside the point…

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      1. Tsk tsk…still blaming the victim.

        We all have responses when our adrenaline start rushing and we are in a live or die situation Fight or Flight.

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  9. I’m not done here ~ but I gotta do this in two installments because I am on a totally dumb-ass public-library computer. So, what I meant to say was that DURING the trial I was saddened most by Alex’s time off. After the trial I am most sympathetic with Black folks. But the law is the law and this is how it works. What is good to see is all the conversation afterwards. The more conversation the better. And your post is superlative! There…

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    1. Exactly, we need to have this conversation, No sweeping under the rug. Too many children have been killed by senseless gun violence. SandyHook, Trayvon, marley lion…and so on.

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      1. Exactly! And this is exactly what motivated me months ago to pry into gun legislative matters & try to come up with ~ an answer ~ which is: Treat guns like cars. Owner’s need licenses to own & use firearms, and must register & insure their firearms ~ to be legal. Then, those without these prerequisites would be illegal & could be legally disarmed. When this happens, our gun problems will begin to recede. However, I doubt it will happen while we’re alive. However, again, our doubts can be traitors… And I guess this would not have made much if any difference in the Trayvon/Zimmerman case…

        More armed school resource officers, I believe, might greatly discourage such tragedies as happened in Newtown…

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  10. Living in Australia, and not being exposed to this story on the level that you guys are, (we get just a quick flash up of general gist of the story), It does seem to me that a lot of the uproar is guided by the media. The sad fact is that two humans made bad decisions that night. Sadly, gun laws allowed that one of them had a lethal weapon. Perhaps that should be the main focus for the American media? I don’t know, but it seems to me that this issue with guns in America is something which really gets down to the bones of issues. If the ‘white’ guy had defended himself with his fists, who knows which way it might have gone? Either way, it might not have resulted in death. I know I may get slammed with comments about knives and other deadly weapons,and I get it…. I’m just saying that getting rid of the most deadly weapons is perhaps a start?

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    1. Hi KL,

      we do need to have a conversation about these gun laws I agree with you. As I said earlier, a lot disputes that would end up with broken noses are ending up with bullets. Apparently, people think human lives are dispensable.

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  11. Considering the number of current open criminal stories regarding blacks teens who have killed white teens, white children and other whites, yes it would have made a difference. It would have never gone to trial. You would have never heard about it. Mr. Obama would have ignored it.

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    1. I think it bares alot of resemblance. An armed adult male watched someone walking home and decided to get out of his vehicle and follow the individual. As a single female, I would have feared for life, like I think a 17year child would

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  12. I just cannot believe the verdict! I wrote a blog called, “It’s Not Easy Being Green” where I tell quickly how I feel about the not guilty. I am appalled. Glad that you agree with me and your post is very well written and an interesting “take” on it. Switching ethnicity would be a telling story.

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    1. Not just ethnicity, but even gender. If it were a 17 year old girl, that Zimmerman got out of the car to follow and confront, people would say she had a right to kick in the balls or pepper spray him.

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  13. The ruling on this case was an outrage. It made me ill. Florida just needs to secede from the U.S., because it’s full of nutjobs and their laws are never applicable to all people, just to people of color. It also made me sad that if/when my boyfriend & I have kids, a son (especially) could be subjected to treated like a shady character, just because of his skin color. I wrote a rant about it on my blog, too.

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  14. I live in Florida and not too far from where this happened. I largely blame the media for it’s reckless handling of this story from the beginning. The pictures they first showed us of both parties were outdated and essentially ridiculous. But I also blame people for being too stupid to realize what was really happening with this case and for letting the media manipulate them. I then blame the prosecution for trying charges that were nearly impossible to prove because they were scared of Al and Jesse. I now feel sorry for the dead boy’s family because they have been incredibly manipulated by people who have twisted agendas. George Zimmerman is just as white as President Obama. Kind of weird to think of it that way. One day maybe we could just see the case as one man being murdered by another man. All the kids in the sandbox get along until someone tells them they have a different skin color. And this is why China will one day win.

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    1. Well China has its own problems trying to convince everyone they are all the same too (Tibet?). So even though prosecution failed to prove its case, it doesn’t mean Zimmerman is an innocent mockingbird.

      Race played a part in it, and although free, I’m sure his conscience will torment him for the rest of his life, (assuming he’s not a sociopath) because he got away with murder.

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  15. When I read some of the comments, I can’t say I’m surprised. But I am a little saddened that people can’t understand that those jurors did exactly what they were supposed to do. The prosecution didn’t and couldn’t prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s the prosecution’s fault. Florida has some terrible areas and many areas where racism is horrible. I work in around Miami a lot and I experience racism each day I’m there. Florida is no different than many other states in that respect. I’m just glad now that Stevie Wonder is boycotting my state so he won’t come here and bump in to things.

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